They are issued by states. Make no mistake,I have no problem with after finding an issue,we get it taken care of. Keep in mind that the FAA receives something like 430,000 8500-8 each year. Due to the self-reporting nature, the chances of getting caught lying on an FAA medical arent very high. They rely on that trust and the deterrence provided by the severe penalties at their disposal to preserve the integrity of the medical certification process. Manage it and you will not have to lie to the FAA, or your AME, or your PCP. Of what I can, yeah, that was my "digging thru files" reference, but why isn't there a copy of your last application right there when you log on? Pilot Health - Should I not disclose this on my FAA medical? He landed safely, but it was his last flight. Some justify white lies by rationalizing they would just be wasting everyones time and effort by disclosing minor issues. They are actually almost the same as for Third Class. I guess it was a bit negligent on my part to get so far into before getting the medical. I was better off lying. The FAA is hopelessly stuck in the stone age, especially in the Aeromedical division. Its only a matter of time. Holy hell! Did you answer Yes on the question and get you special issue? Simply having an assault on record does not by itself result in denial. Its not lying its letting them find out, which would probably never happen unless something came out about it. If I tell the AME about this will I not get my cert that day? Unfortunatley I have seen too many accident reports where the pilot was on prescription medications (found during the toxicological examination)many of them disqulifying, and none of them were reported on the medical application. What was yours for if you dont mind me asking. I dont want to hide anything from him. I'm a pilot, and an air traffic controller. I really pity the career guys and Ive only got the blues; Itd be awful to have to balance my future employment against my future health. Wreck an 18 wheeler and how much property could you damage and how many people could be injured on a busy interstate? What makes an airplane as a machine so different. Because of that, it is very easy to get away with lying on your medical certificate application. I lost my 2012 medical cert in Istanbul, and make the mistake of sending the FAA form requesting a duplicate. From a practical standpoint, it makes the most sense. Certification of employees to preform tasks, medical and eye examinations are normal in the Aerospace industry. I agree the sport licensse should include at least up to a 152, super cub and all two seat trainers. I will follow that up with a word of warning. Since I asked to have myself tested for apnea, and found it was a problem, and now use a Constant Positive Air Pressure (CPAP) machine, FAA dogs me annually. Period. I am all in favour of your own doctors certificate of good health. If you have a new medical diagnosis, just received a letter from the FAA or have any concerns about your FAA medical certificate, let us help. Dont take it personally, those are just the facts on the ground. With $ 20.00 USD anything is possible down there and then just let the FAA go through hoops to find my one in a million medicals just to disqualify and pull my medicalwhich is fake after allwill give them and me something to do till I can think of some other ways to pass the time with the all mighty FAA. So why disclose it here on an open forum? Like many organizations, the FAA puts its own authority, power and existence ahead of those, whom it is supposed to serve. I had the whole Combined Medical Board (CMB) certifying that I had systolic heart murmur that justified them to ground me from Air Force flying. Smaller countries use the FAA regulations for medical certification and, therefore, use the 8500-8 form and have it submitted to the FAA for approval. It does happen. If you have a condition which COULD result in a denial then get it checked out because you have a potential medical condition that could be a problem with you living. Have tried the polite calling routine, found they will lie to you, one time the lady told me my SI was approved & mailed 2 days prior, when I finally got it 3 weeks later the post mark date proved they had lied. Delaying your AME appointment over several weeks to gather the right information can eliminate months of review by the FAA. Taint worth messing up folks. Bury the third class in favor of drivers licenses, who cars come with inches of mine, go against lights, etc. This is just as important an issue as the proverbial get homeitis.. The problem is I was diagnosed with ADHD back when I was about 9. I know a pilot who lost enough weight for his sleep apnea to disappear. R: Sleep Apnea. At least three questions on the FAA medical application (Form 8500-8) can identify to the FAA that an individual potentially has a history of ADHD. We all know that volume of cars on the roads vs. number of planes in the air leads to have to deal with more idiots on the ground. Gordon, I think that I could make a very compelling argument that, in many cases, the FAA medical actually does more harm than good. What you dont want to do is lie. Im not dumb enough to eat a big meal then jump right into a plane for the flight back unless it is one with a toilet and someone else is flying! We can never win with you, only lose. I have been flying with a special issuance 3rd class physical for 15 years. Our fact-checkers review each article to ensure that all the information presented is accurate, relevant and up-to-date. A highly experienced AME, also a 747/DC-10 Captain for a major airline, once told me that crewmembers lose consciousness in the seat about half a dozen times every year. You can be a Sport Pilot if you have never had your FAA medical denied. Due to the self-reporting nature, the chances of getting caught lying on an FAA medical aren't very high. Insurance companies now have a way out of paying the claim and if there were passengers or other property damage involved now lawyers get involvedsomething to think about! Did you know that most of the articles at Air Facts are written by readers like you? He knew it. Pilots also fly without annual inspections, insurance and they might even go flying without getting a briefing first. I have to say, this doc was thorough, checked everything, but, when he saw that attachment with all that exposure, he looked at me in a way like what is all this. Fortunately with the airlines, there is always a second pilot capable of flying the plane. However many of the folks you are asking are not quite so anonymous. Type II diabetes, coronary artery stents, history of myocardial infarction (heart attack), various cancers, and several other diseases are disqualifying, but Special Issuance can be obtained by doing the hoop jumping that the FAA requires, such as providing a statement from your treating physician, listing the medications that you take, do you have any side effects from the medications, do the medications actually work. 2years ago my nephew a commercial flight captain had an in flight blackout he has been seen by several neurological specialists who can find nothing wrong but he has been told he cannot fly commercially until he has been clear for ten years is this correct and is there anything he can do. Yes, all my discussion was only applicable to private, recreational pilots, not airline or large freight liner pilots. Question 17 can identify for the FAA that an individual is currently taking a disqualifying medication such as Adderall, Ritalin, Concerta, Strattera, etc, commonly used to treat ADHD. Do you need a medical to operate a large motor home, car, boat, sand dune buggy, tractor, motorcycle, etc, etc. I am now 75 years old, and the FAA continues to demand increasily more stringent testing to get the isssuance. So at least the medical makes we go for a check up. Im still going to try to jump through the medical hoops because I love to fly. He went on to training pilots via simulators. If you do have heart disease, you would have to continue to see your Cardiologist as well as your AME to maintain your medical. I live in the UK and the medical over here for a pilot licence, they dont do an EEG. The FAA issues updates to the AME Guide on a monthly basis. I sympathize with you. Thus, agencies such as the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), Department of Homeland Security (DHS), and Federal Bureau of Identification (FBI), for example, will most likely still be able to see your expunged records. But, it was not the fault of the FAA, it was mine for not verifying the doctors statement before submitting it. This doesnt happen very often because Oklahoma City deals with up to 700,000 to one million people a year but if one does get caught then one could face some legal trouble in court. If you were diagnosed with ADHD when you were in school but havent taken medication or experienced symptoms in 15 years, you still are required to answer yes to question 18m. You just never know, and even a thorough and honest medical will never catch anything. Now Ive been unemployed for a couple months and who knows how long before some beaurucrat decides to actually look at my file snd say ok. Ive followed all the steps they dictated,all my tests and results are right on but because they wont simply look and see that Ive followed thrie rules and was honest,Im looking at becoming a burden to the system and living on public assistance until I get my medical back. Most get grounded for a year? As a result, I had to take an EKG. After 7 years and three more third class medicals-the FAA medical office suddenly decided I had 30 days to provide all the records from a condition I had 20 years ago, or have my medical suspended. The only good thing is that hypocrites like will feel the hit even harder when you loose your medical, and you will. All content is fact-checked before publication. If they find any issues, they will ask for more information. Ok, I read the revised FAA 61.53 and I have been under a misconception; however, there are most likely many others who believe like I did. I know of several pilots who have useful vision in only one eye or have amblyopia that makes it impossible for them to pass the eye exam. The system is imperfect in many ways and should be fixed, I do not disagree with that. I stopped learning to fly as I did not have the additional funds to have the CAA medical. They have little to do but think up new restrictions, all under the banner of safety. All medical certificates are valid for 60 months, unless youre 40 or older the day you get it (then its 24 months). Pilot organizations offer free advice to members, commercial outfits offer advice and assistance for a fee and printed resources are available. Make no mistake: Form 8500-8 is a legal instrument, unlike many other documents. Perhaps most problematic is that these medications are disqualifying in and of themselves. Cancer is ranked highest for men, With an 11.6 percent chances of getting caught lying on faa medical up to $ 200 self-reporting nature, chance. I think that increasing the value of a worn out C150 to about $100K (which would happen the day they were included in the category) would take most of the trainer fleet out of circulation and the already paultry number of students would dry up completely. AFAIK the FAA considers ADHD medications a serious issue. How is THAT not a red flag to someone??? Remove the AME from the loop, and there is no one but the pilot to judge whether the above situation is safe. and moved on to checking the no column for the rest of the page. First, if youve not taken a disqualifying medication for greater than 90 days, you can potentially argue to the FAA that your underlying diagnosis was not accurate to begin with. I am unconscious every night. Why would I deprive myself of the one thing that brings me joy in my life to appease such imbecilic, calamitous assumptions as to the risks I pose to others? Special Issuance medical exams can cost more. Hmmm Wiley Post was one of the great Aviators flue around the world was he Illeagle??? It revealed an abnormality. I then had to take an echo, which revealed I was even healthier than I thought! They yanked my 3rd class one time, because my personal physician mistyped a statement on his annual letter to the FAA. Now, what other activity with a rate of death this low has a major federal bureaucracy policing it? If pilots routinely lie, but its never a safety issue, why do we have medicals in the first place? Throwaway account for obvious reasons. The 3rd class medical crosses the line where freedom is unreasonably denied in the pursuit of absolute safety. If you ever lose it you can simply request a new one. The questionaire is so impossible to answer honestly because it uses the word ever. PERIOD. https://www.oig.dot.gov/sites/default/files/SAFE_PILOT_Testimony_july17.pdf. . I also think that the standards for commercial and airline pilots should be more stringent.. No, most pilots have few issues. Many pilots have waited months or years for their medical certificates because each new record they provide to justify their medical certificate eligibility reveals another ailment they did not disclose before. AMCD will consider much more than the information you submitted in MedXPress and your AMEs exam findings. Email me at [emailprotected]. He had me sit where I could not see him so that I could not tell when he hit the switch that turned on the tone I was required to listen for. I have no problem with the current system. Any law or rule, which is widely viewed by those subject to its enforcement as being unfair, unjust, capricious and arbitrary, because it has no basis in fact, will be disrespected and thus unenforceable. Accident investigators at every crash look for signs of incapacitation and collect items such as medication containers to try to determine if a medical reason caused the crash. This applies to ANY wildcat actions, including slowdown, work-to-rules, withdrawal of enthusiasm (WOE), sickouts, etc. Im OK now, sleep with a CPAP machine. This is nothing but government bureaucracy. The whole thing is about safety but the FAA has never proven the need for the medicals, especially the third class, it was just randomly instituted one day a long time ago. Pilots most likely have wanted too fly since they were kids. But knowing that the FAA has little humor, we all put no. Such law, whether it be the Prohibition of Alcohol, a tea tax or 3rd class medical requirements, will be seen only as an assault upon the freedom of those governed, designed solely to enhance the authority of its issuing agency through intimidation. Who gave the FAA the power to stop pilots from flying because they take antidepressants? My ex lied and never mentioned it. You get caught lying on a medical, they'll do a lot more than just bust your balls. Duration of Medical Certificate Pilots who are age 40 and older will still renew a third class medical every 24 months. I know this Pilot who has type 1 Diabetes which requires insulin injections daily, drinks alcohol every night, takes an antidepressant, and every afternoon gets the shakes. Id never put my family in danger and drive a car if I wasnt feeling well, why would anyone think Id fly that way? FAA Disqualifying Conditions: Bipolar Disorder. If your medical expires, there is nothing to stop you from continuing to fly. You can ask the Civil Aerospace Medical Institute for statistics on fatalities in which medical conditions were either the direct cause or a contributing factor. Would the FAA prefer people to auger in because they are depressed rather than get a medication. If you can afford to own or rent an airplane, you can afford to pay an AME. Robert Davis Travel Management Consultant, 2023 Executive Flyers +1 (512) 241-0795. I was then a County Police Officer for 21 years. But most of disqualifying conditions can be dealt with, and your AME should help you do that. The AME Guide explains that the question pertains to unexplained unconsciousness. It doesnt seem to exhibit much intelligence to uselessly act excited after the fact instead of before. The entire aeromedical FAA staff can go kill themselves for all I care. | site designed by. so.does everyone repeat their whole life medical history.or just the recent stuff since the last medical exam? its the government way. Local Oklahoma City Area: (405) 954-3261. In certain circumstances, I wouldnt think twice about lying on the medical form, quite frankly. Remember that most pilots who have lost their medicals because they lied are probably not around here to talk about it. Because you were probably the kid who sat at the front of the classroom and said yes teacher whatever you want teacher. Thats a good way to get into a LOT of trouble. Consider the following tabulations on the number of deaths per year in various activities: Motorcycle deaths 4500 Has anyone seen that data? However the CAA would not accept the word of the doctors at the hospital nor my own doctor and insisted I had to follow the procedure. Such disorders might be genetic. I do not lie on my medical, but would love to be able to fly a 172 using a drivers licence in lieu of a class III medical. Not just surprise test changes from the FAA but the FMCSA again wanting to reduce truck drivers hours of service due to fatigue despite the lack of evidence published on the FMCSAs own web site. Im a 24 year old healthy male non smoker athlete with 20/20 vision and I cant fly because I took adderal as needed for help concentrating in school. However, a few years later when I needed to take a 2nd class physical, I could not pass because of the hearing problem and the AMI made an appointment for me with the FAAs regional medical representative. If a question comes up about whether or not a pilot is qualified to hold an FAA medical certificate, the application itself usually does not contain enough information for AMCD to make a truly informed decision. One had sleep apnea that resolved with weight loss and the other no longer has type 2 diabetes. Find one that will help you get through the maze, not simply hand your problem off to the FAA. I started flying and was completely awe-stricken. Those are hard to fake. Of course, as others have posted here NO ONE can truthfully answer no to all the questions because of ever. Furthermore if one has the right against self-incrimination in court testimony, why should one be forced to self-incriminate before a Federal Agency that is extremely bureaucratic, slow to change, and out of touch with reality? However you have never been treated or taken medication so probably if you disclose it the FAA would require some sort of doctors evaluation which says you are OK and that will be the end of it. Ive been fighting to get my 3rd class for 10 years and now I think Im close to getting a special issuance. And on the other hand we have people like the pilot mentioned in J. Mac McClellans article Too Many Risks in the May 2012 issue of Sport Aviation who out right lied about his substance use and abuse. There is so much hearing loss among the older pilot population, but current practices do not do much more than whisper a question when not facing the pilot. Needless to say, I have never taken a $100 Hamburger flight. I can get it back, but I have to go through a fairly extensive bureaucratic morass to recover it, then jump through extra hoops over the years to keep it. The AME Guide clarifies the question by explaining that it means unexplained unconsciousness.. G E King, John has been quoted or mentioned in major publications, including Chron, Flying Mag, and National Review. If you ever need to submit medical records to the FAA, they will review everything you give them. Port St. Lucie, FL 34988
If you you diagnosed with some sort of Learning Disability like ADD,ADHD,OCD,LD it doesnt make a difference. Im an AME. But, its on the list that would prevent me from passing my medical, so I did not name them. It was good news. I agreemost pilots at least fail to mention things. I mean no offense, but other adults telling another adult whether or not to disclose something on a medical just doesn't seem right. I found my regular doctor because I was looking for an AME. Ive no choice but be truthfull,but I am sure Ive flown with other pilots who are afraid of admitting or just dont admit that they are not fit to fly themselves or their passengers safely.Does that ache youve been noticing or even worse ignoring mean something? You want to make it more difficult? If you have any concerns about your next FAA flight physical. However, if you are involved in an accident, incident, or disciplinary action, you can bet that the FAA and the necessary authorities will take the time to investigate, and things you didnt disclose will come out. thank you, that will be $110. They always do it under the banner of safety. Thus by forcing pilots to avoid medical treatment, in order to protect their medical certificate, the FAA actually promotes ill health and thus diminishes safety. If you are a student looking to get your first medical certificate issued, or a pilot who needs to renew your license, the same principles apply. Personally, I feel that if I am medically safe enough to drive then I should be safe enough to fly. Fly over open country and probably be able to put the plane down in a field if there were trouble but the FAA has a BIG resounding NO for that. Question 19 speaks to visits to healthcare professionals within the last 3 years. If on this question, an applicant identifies that he or she has been to see his or her doctor for treatment of ADHD, this will likely warrant deferral. Also the FAA does check your National Driver Register/Record so make sure you keep your driving safe. Lie by default. I for one, not being a medical doctor, place my trust in my AME and my PCP. Legally, it does have to be the original. I lost some respect for FAA there. Thank you for the post. should also be aware that the FAA now routinely cross-references your VA disability rating when determining your eligibility for a medical certificate. The AME might be required to defer your Medical Certificate, but you will be 3-4 months ahead by having the AME submit your medical information along with the 8500-8 rather than waiting for the FAA to ask for the information. The FAA is able to see what medication a pilot has been subscribed because they have access to the national prescription database. The message the FAA should be sending to pilots in my opinion is Manage your health. How do I get a copy of my FAA written test? The AME is there to help you get a medical LEGALLY when you have one or more disqualifying conditions. If pilots routinely lie, but its never a safety issue I did years later and got totally cleared. Have you ever been dizzy etc. Type 2 diabetes, with oral medication, receiving a special issuance every year, until this last one, when the FAA generously determined my AME could recertify me, annually, for five years. It is also very much a question of freedom. Im a depressed individual Ive been formally diagnosed with dysthemic disorder, a long-term, low grade version of chronic depression that isnt helped with medications. Re test. Many of the changes result in the easing or clarifying the rules for AMEs to follow. Age is only a number. I do think that the First and Second class medical criteria should be more stringent. Requesting Medical Records. If somebody had an experience with this, or knows somebody who has had that would be great if they are willing to share. That would shut them down for good. I think a regular physical should be required, but the special AME physical in all reality boils down to a tax disguised as safety concern. Wiley Post would have never passed a physical. A separate authorization request is required for each record released to any third party (physician, insurance company, employer, etc.) And the Medical Flight Test needs to be taken only once and the SODA is good indefinitely. Office hours M-F 8:30am - 5:00pmOur Privacy
Auto correct makes illiterates of us all. In this application, you must disclose any information about a condition that has the potential to affect your eligibility to fly. Sometimes, your case can be put higher up in the stack. N Before I was flying my previous HMO physician told me I was the perfect patient for the insurance company because I hadnt shown up for seven years. Why is such a standard not imposed on motorcycle or car owners ? All FAA medical certificate applicants are required to acknowledge that warning before submitting their application in MedXPress. There are heart transplant pilots flying. I am working on my private pilot license and I was honest and admitted to an episode of seasonal depression treated with medication (which I no longer require or take). The FAA medical process makes it nearly impossible to comply with completely. By now most of you know there are way too many federal employees standing around over paid and coming up with way too many regulations to try and justify their job. Im not saying I have a medical cert, but if I did this is what I would do. How is that fair? Once set up by politicians, these agencies rule by fiat, for which there is no recourse. Im old, crazy and hard of hearing bit like most experienced pilots I suppose. Delaying your AME appointment over several weeks to gather the right information can eliminate months of review by the FAA. Again, Im not arguing against the need for medical certification, but the process needs some serious streamlining. AMCD will consider much more than the information you submitted in MedXPress and your AMEs exam findings. All because of a blood pressure medication I put on my 2012 medical form. Neither IFA, nor Paul Engstrom assume any responsibility or liability for events that occur due to actions you or others on your behalf take based on the information given in this article. Because they can longer fly. Each time the Dr. hit the switch, my friend kicked me under the table and I could respond that I had heard the tone in the headset as required. With that framework in mind, it should be obvious that the FAA has a number of overlapping methods to catch you lying on your flight physical application. Good guy, good doc, been at it a long time, Im healthy and got my 3rd class. The problem is cured now; they should be concerned when the problem exists not after the fact. I was dumb enough to tell them about my marriage counseling! While I dont think most will lie on their medicals, I feel that some will if they have an issue and are in fear of losing their certificate(s). I on the other hand can only fly sport and do when I can find a plane to rent. As the FAA put it, a pilot must ground themselves if they are unable to meet the requirements for the medical certificate.. To check the validity of the certificate, email a request to Aviation Data Systems Branch, [emailprotected]. I have been screwing around with Oklahoma City since May 2010 and I still really have not made a very big dent towards my certification. Therefore, I lied. Not much of a medical exam, if you ask me. And two complete submittals of blood tests. The Great Debate: do pilots lie on medicals? It explains a lot of stuff that seems ridiculous, like have you ever been unconscious. Bottom line, you are better off disclosing to the FAA if you want a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd class medical certificate. Makes no logical sense. No problem there both were on the approved list (most are). Im not trying to be deceitful, but I really want to be prepared for this interview and I dont see the importance of something that wont effect flying. I am a physician instrument pilot with an appreciation for medical limitations. Boating accident deaths 750 A. He as a jet driver and as the sole pilot that might have been a problem during the flight he was scheduled for the next day. Perhaps most problematic is that these medications are disqualifying in and of themselves. It sometimes gets people injured and sometimes gets people killed. They even asked me are you sure you never had epilepsy attacks?. What next, psych eval, cholesterol screen for atherosclerosis, denying smokers because risk of copd exacerbation in unexpected decompression, genetic screening to predict addictive personality or anger tendency? My admitting to counselling halted my medical. I have to weigh in on this issue. I am 64 years old. They will also review how your current application compares to the ones you have submitted in the past and your driving record. 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