I prefer the 45 ever since the military i jus had a thing for the 45 acp although I do own a couple few 9mm's and have favorite pistols in that caliber also love my custom 17. If a bullet is traveling at a faster speed, it will either penetrate deeper, expand better, or both. Why would a European war require Brits to fight for the U. S. We helped you with your war, you didnt help us with our war. Weve got a dedicated section for the AR-15 here. It's both in physical and mental ability. Faster bullets are also better for terminal performance. Exactlyother than the special forces, army and specially trained police. Sure, good over evil trumps, you can't let intruders do terrible things. Sit down, you sound dumb. 45 bullets weigh a ton In a ammo can! However, it's very reasonable to say that without American manufacturing, production, and agriculture the United Kingdom would have either fallen directly to the Germans or more likely would have been starved into submission. Just a thought. Where's the test evidence? Adam and Eve passed on the nature of sin (spiritual death) to the whole human race (see Romans 5:12-21), which is why we MUST be "born again of the spirit in order to enter the Kingdom of God" (see John 3:3). Advertisement cookies are used to provide visitors with relevant ads and marketing campaigns. The FBI and the armys surgeon General have done extensive data gathering. What may look like running away to someone not involved, might loot a lot more moving to cover from someone getting, or anticipating getting, shot at. back in 1971, couple years ago! Glock 43 9mm is my every day carry, IWB. I started shooting at age 8 I am now 64, aferter seeing many debates on this topic, here is my own opinion the best pistol or rifle for self defense is the one that you can shoot the best. FMJs go through wood, plaster, sheet rock, and most anything else in your walls like its nothing, so there's no way to know what it may hit on the other side. The .357 SIG Liberty does it with its rifle like speeds dumping its energy immediately on target and making temporary wound cavity matter. The 150-grain bullet has a muzzle velocity of 2,820, while the 180-grain has a muzzle velocity of 2,620 feet per second. ========================= Ammunition research (from notes Ive made from sources) I have played many scenarios in my head and I always conclude that the proximity of an assailant in the street would be greater than the proximity in a home. LEOs average 20-30% hits in a gunfight. I think there was a fundamental mistake about over penetration in this article. We'll cover the pros & cons of 9mm vs .45 ACP, from stopping power to expansion, accuracy, price, capacity, and more. However, you may visit "Cookie Settings" to provide a controlled consent. I have both 45s and 9mm's but I'm not emotionally attached to the 1911 or 45 ACP, it's not better, it's different. The best ergonomics, the feel of the recoil, and let's not forget about how gorgeous it is! Can you do that under stress? All the tellings of limited knowledge. Modern forensicss indicates a .38 Special and up is just as any other side arm aka marginal. Practicing at a public range is not ideal. This would most likely result in you firing at the assailant in a less accurate fashion as well as possibly harming others. Secure .gov websites use HTTPS This will likely require a head shot. Capacity is a good factor to concern as long as rounds are selectively placed otherwise is just becomes another spray and part scenario. Its maximum pressure is 36,500 psi, which is four percent higher than SAAMIs spec for the more common 9mm Luger. Please take immediate action to change this link and ensure no other articles on Pew Pew Tactical contain links to that dishonest propaganda site. Here we go agin, 9mm vrs 45, I like the beef of an ACP. This is a great article period.! His first patient was a guy shot right by the belly button. I could not sell my 9 mm fast enough The one thing I never see mentioned about the .45 acp is that because it's a slower round and over penetration issues drop dramatically it, FMJ is still a very good SD/HD ammo. They obviously apply to other calibers as well. The hydrostatic shock of a .45 is inherently greater than a 9mm. For me the recoil is like a BB gun but has a similar down range damage as a 9mm. measured 12 feet from the gun's muzzle. The 9mm features some interesting advantages. Don't be scared but owning a gun is a responsibility. Whatever floats your boat. I have many .45s and 9mms. Still, nothing like the feel of a nice heavy, ..45. customized to your liking as your arsenal 'anchor'. IRead more . * lighter recoil faster follow up shot (see above) Hmmm, always been a 1911 45cal chap,although 38cal is certainly better than 9mm which has been known to bounce off suspects believe it or not.Good article,interesting points! Grip circumference on the 9mm and ,45 pistols is not that different. To actually answer the question of velocity by barrel length for 9mm Luger, and what the ideal barrel length is, namely for something like an AR-15 / AR-9 pistol or SBR, we'll discuss below. 24 is the SAAMI (industry) standard despite the fact that most .223 ammo is probably fired from an 18 AR-15 barrel. I guess now its time to do the same with .380, with all the advances in ammo technology and proliferation of .380 pistols for concealed carry. Having some experience with both calibers and owning every one you can name I would also like to mention body armor/bullet proof vest testing. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Physics got us to the moon, Im pretty sure it can calculate which bullet is more lethal. This is repeated in Winchester's Power Max cartridges. Ive never been under pressure but I was shocked at the 20-30% accuracy for LEO. I got rid of my .45 Auto carbine because I found it less effective beyond about 60 yards. It shows you like 9m you talk about both but talking about 45 it was more about 9m but talking about 9m it was 9m but I enjoyed to know it so me both. It's also recommended that you practise with a spray before you hit bear country, so you know how the spray works and how to spray effectively. My favorite round is a sig 200 g. I tested this as a defense round and appreciated the impact force on soft targets. The __qca cookie is associated with Quantcast. The masses want to know. This is a 9mm Luger ballistics chart (external) generated using our ballistic trajectory calculator. A group of people tried that, and he killed them all, I think he killed three men with a .22 rifle. Any high penetration rounds for handguns beyond fmj are usually considered as "armor piercing" and therefore illegal in the us. Something to remember when shopping around for a 9mm. Listen--great article but here are thedsalient poinyts. I enjoyed your post. For instance, Hornady uses a 24 barrel to test and record muzzle velocities for their 223 ammo. He probably also thought that a .22 LR will bounce around inside the rib cage. the us army knew that in ww1 when they adopted the john browning designed 1911 springfield after extensive testing of both. Due to its bulky size I generally leave it wedged in between the front seats of my truck so I can access it fairly quickly, I never badly carry it because of the uncomfortable size and also because I live in Florida a lot of people still dont support concealed carry as much as Id like them to so I worry about it peaking out from under the bottom of my shirt and causing an issue with someone. All the advancement that improved the once weak 9mm have also been applied to the historically reliable and powerful 45. Now I carry a 3.2 inch barreled 9mm. Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. I LIKE them all. +P and +P+ rounds are available as well. I have owned both and prefer the 1911A1 style and stopping power. A bear attack can happen very quickly. Thank you, however for the work on showcasing the loadsRead more . One of the biggest I've seen taken was 465lb. You'll freeze. My non-silenced weapons are 9mm my silenced weapons are .45. Was this test set up as a DOE (Design of Experiments) or an OFAT (One Factor at a Time) test? ALL the benefits of both calibers. But the idea that the .45 will stop a man in his tracks no matter where you shoot him is preposterous. The 45: Has more JHP expansion, More knock down power(even with a FMJ). I'll take 10 "flying ashtrays" over the puny 9mm anytime. The downside of a Glock is that it is a Glock. Praised for being compact and easier to handle than its .45 ACP counterpart, the 9mm has become one of the most popular rounds in the world. Full sized .45 or .50 for when you really mean 'permanent' and final business and .300 BLK fmj rounds through a sbr (I know, tsk, tsk) or tactical pistola for 1200-1300 fps during a full blown war or zombie apocalypse! Rounds were fired over an Oehler 35P chronograph at a distance of five feet from the muzzle. Add in the big, fat, slow, it would seem the only advantage of a 45 is if the target is in the room with you. At 3-8 yards distance, which is the most likely scenario I would find myself in need to draw, if God forbid the situation arises, aiming would be instinctive and firing would be done with one hand. You sound highly inexperienced. While the 9's, well, they kept on fighting on theor feet. I realize these instances are rare but one things for sure i can cut a target in half with rapid shots so easily with a 1022 because of zero recoil i think i could shoot 4 rounds to 1 outta my 45. Muzzle velocity refers to the speed of a bullet as it passes through the muzzle of a gun. Alternatively, the 9mms stopping power and smaller design make it ideal for open and concealed carry. My nightstand pistol is a Glock 41, but I would only grab it if one of my AK47s stopped firing. The energy at impact is greater than the 9mm. .380 ACP, 9mm, and .40 S&W are all within the margin of error, but .357 SIG, .45 ACP, and .44 Magnum are not, and they are all heavier and/or faster on average. Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. I've done some research on the differences regarding handguns, but now I'm getting a little confused. The ones that I carry travel at 1000 fps. 2. As to why heavier projectiles penetrate more than light ones, given similar shapes, is due to conservation of energy. Another fact if you shoot an assailant far enough away that bullet drop comes into play, you will have problems in court. I still posses a .45 among my various handguns, and I still enjoy shooting with it. The bigger bullets may make a temporary cavity but the permanent cavities are pretty much indistinguishable to coroners. Most data shows .45 ACP has a higher percentage of one shot stops as well as (IF multiple shots are required to stop a threat) the .45 ACP takes less shots. I agree with the writer, owning both and applying to individual situations and preferences is right on the mark. Stopping power is not the same as joules or ft/lbs. With having very minimal firearm experience, could you recommend a good choice? just stick to a pistol and out to a max of 16 P.C.C. A 124 grain plus P will not start dropping velocity until somewhere over 16 inches of barrel. Hornady has an XTP +P 135gr that is an excellent design. Just ask yourself one question. 9mm: having more range, muzzle velocity, more accuracy(depending on the professionalism of the shooter), less recoil, a smaller cal(meaning the gun will have more capacity) and more penetration(Depending on the grain). So, which round actually produces more recoil? My experience has led me to the same conclusion. They need a lot more practice. . They are extremely different. Owning at least 1 9mm seems practical though, as availability of ammo is likely even in a SHTF situation. I cant see the situation where I would have to return fire on someone standing 25 yards away and where I would initiate shooting against someone at that distance. Like Barbarossa said..nothing unnerves a man more than some son of a bitch that stands when he ahould be running. Not only are the Lehigh loads the most visually appealing due to their artful machining, but they ranked the highest in uniformity and had some of the lowest SD (standard deviation) of anything tested. I own, shoot and train with few firearms and calibres, including the Glock's 19, 26 and 30S. Interesting. I gather he was just Firing the pistol into an effective area. They struggled with .357 and .45. If he dont go down choot em again. Most of my practice is at 10 yards, I do vary 10 feet to 20 yards. For HD, I have a 12gauge but my G19 is fine. The velocity of a projectile is always fastest when it leaves the barrel. Out of these, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. My 45 is a Sig dual tone full size 1911 and I like the weight and the 5 inch barrel. I am not a Glock guy by any means, but ammo is ammo and I always find tested results like these to be useful. 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